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Alien Message
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2014.
The US National Security Agency (NSA) presents » NSA Declassified UFO Files
The US National Security Agency (NSA) had released to the public domain formerly classified UFO X-files. One of thedocuments in NSA Technical Journal Vol XIV No 1 with FOIA Case number 41472 has been titled ‘Key To The Extraterrestrial Messages’. The document authored by a Dr. Campaigne, presented a series of 29 messages received from outer space in ‘Extraterrestrial Intelligence’.
NSA Releases UFO Files Reveals “Alien Messages” Received
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First French UFO files, then the British UFO files, the FBI Vault and recently the Kennedy disclosure. And now files from the prominent security agency rediscovered (never been reported in main stream media), the NSA, saying they have received alien messages, could the enlightenment period that the Mayans said would happen in 2012 actual be the revelation that we have visitors.
NSA had released to the public domain formerly classified UFO X-files HERE, but which had never got media attention.
This one small step, yet ‘Giant Leap For Mankind’, is best described as a ‘treasure trove’. Of the documents available, one is particularly interesting from the NSA Technical Journal Vol XIV No 1 with FOIA Case number 41472 which has been titled ‘Extraterrestrial Intelligence’. The document authored by a Dr. Campaigne, presents a series of 29 messages received from outer space. |
This unclassified document not only confirms the presence of extraterrestrials, but that the US Government has received deep space transmissions from a civilization outside our own solar system !
The following is transcribed from Page 21, Appendix:
"Recently a series of radio messages was heard coming from outer space. The transmission was not continuous, but cut by pauses into pieces which could be taken as units, for they were repeated over and over again. The pauses show here as punctuation. The various combination have been represented by letters of the alphabet, so that the messages can be written down. Each message except the first is given here only once. The serial number of the messages has been supplied for each reference."
The following is a reconstruction of the » original PDF document as found on the National Security Agency website.
Extraterrestrial Intelligence BY HOWARD H. CAMPAIGNE Unclassified - Approved for Release by NSA on 10-21-2004 FOIA Case #41472 Extraterrestrial Communications
In the most recent issue of the NSA Technical Journal- Vol. XI, No. 1 Mr. Lambros D. Callimahos discussed certain aspects of extraterrestrial intelligence and included seueral messages to test the reader's ingenuity. In the following pages, Dr. H. H. Campaigne offers additional communications from outer space.
Recently a series of radio messages was heard coming from outer space. The transmission was not continuous but was cut by pauses into pieces which could be taken as units, for they were repeated over and over again. The pauses show here as punctuation. The various combinations have been represented by letters of the alphabet, so that the messages can be written down. Each message except the first is given here only once. The serial number of the message has been supplied for each reference.
1. ABCDEFGHJKLMNOPQRSTUV ABCDEFCHJKLMNOPQRSTUV ABCDEFGHJKLMNOPQR etc.
2. AA. B;AAA.C; AAAA.D; AAAAA.E; AAAAAA.F; AAAAAAA.G. 3. LAA; LBB. LCC; LDD; LEE; LFF; LGG. 4. LBKAA; LCKBA; LCKAB; LDKCA; LDKBB; LDKAC; LEKDA; LEKCB; LEKBC; LEKAD; LFKEA; LFKDB; LFKCC; LFKBD; LFKAE. 5. LFKAKBC; LFKCKBA; LGKAKBD; LGKCKAC; LKAKBCKKABC. 6. LAMBA; LBVCA; LAMCB; LCMDA; LBMDB; LAMDC; LDMEA; LCMEB; LBMEC; LAMED. 7. LNMAA; LNVBB; LNMCC; LNMDD; LNMEE; LNVFF; LNMGG. 8. LAOAA; LNONA; LBOAB; LBOBA; LNONB; LNOBN; LDOBB; LDOAD; LFOAF; LFOBC. 9. LFOAOBC; LFOCOBA; LFOBOCA; LODOEFOODEF. 10. LDRBB; LBRBA; LARBN; LCRCA; LARCN. 11. LRBCKDD; LRBCKAG; LRBCOBD; LRBBD. 12. LRCBKDE; LRCBOCC. 13. WRBC; WKAG; LKJAOCC; LKJARCB. 14. LBPJD; LDPJB; LAPCC; LCPFB. 15. UAB; UBC; UCD; UEJ; UFJ; UGJ; URBCRCB. 16. QLNA; QLAC; QLAKAA; QLNOAA; QLRBBB; QUBB; QHLAALAB; QQLCC; QUJG. 17. SLAA; SUAB; SLBKAA; SLAOAA; SLNMAA; SHLFOAFLAPFF; SHLAALBB. 18. LATA; LBTKATA; LETKBTCT; LFTOCTBT; LGTG; LANTJ.
19. L ABC TKO ARJ BKO B RJA C ; L CBA TKO CRJ BKO B RJA OA RJN ; L DEFG TKKO DRJ COE RJB KO F RJA OG RJN ;
20. HL JK AA VL GAV ; HL AA TRC A VL BAV ; HL CA VL AA TRA VB ; HL EA VL FK AAV ; HL CKA CO VL BG OV ; HL FOB SO VL CS OV ; HL CDO VL AATRD OV B ; SLK AV PV KP VAV ; SLO AV PV OP VAV ; SLK AV KPV TVKK AVPV TV ; SLO AV OPV SVOO AVPV SV ; HQLA VBV QL MA VB MB VAV ; HQLA VBV QL RA VB VRB VAV ;
21. HL NKBMR DDDV BO DDDV CUVLA DDDV LB DDDV ; HUVLA DVLMN ADVLAR DVB ; HUVLA BVLN BVLN MBVR BVB ; SUVLA VBV QLA VBV ; SUVUA VBV UB VAV.
22. QTVU AVB VUB VAV ; QTVL AVB VQLA VBV ; HTVL R AVB DUNA VLAVB ; HQU AVB WVUB VAVLB VAV ; SH QT VGVHVUV QGVQ HV ; SH QU VGVHVTV QGVQ HV ; LU VAV UV BVCV UVU VAV BVCV ; LT VAV TV BVCV TVT VAV BVCV ; LT VAV UV BVCV UVT VAV BVTV AVCV ; LU VAV TV BVCV TVU VAV BVUV AVCV.
23. JNV UV BAV CAV BAV ; JNV BAV TV BAV CAV ; JNV UV BAV CAV TV BAV CAV ; H JNV BAV CAV L BAV UV BAV CAV ; H JNV BAV CAV L CAV TV BAV CAV ; H TV JN BAV CAV JNV CAV BAV L BAV CAV ; H JNV BAV CAV JNV QCAVQ BAV ; SH TV JNV BAV CAV JNV CAV DAV JNV BAV DAV.
24. NKVA JAV ; HKV B JAV ; NKV C JAV ; NXV D JAV ; NXV E JAV ; MKV F JAV ; NKV G JAV ; NKV AAT JAV ; NKV ABT JAV ; HNKV AV JAV NKVKAVA JAV.
25. NKVTV AB JAV ; NKVTV TV ABC JAV ; NKVTV AD TAGT JAV ; NKVTV TV GG TANNT ANAT JAV ; HTVJN VAV NMV JNV BVNMV JNV TVAV BVNMV ; NKVN JAV ; NKVJ JAV ; NKVRJ B JAV ; NKVRJ C JAV ; NKVRJ D JAV ; NKVRJ J JAV ; NKVRJ ANT JAV ; NKVRJ ANNT JAV ; NKVRJ ANNNT JAV ; HNKV BV JAV NKVR JBV JAV ; HNKVTV BV CVJAV NKV KB VCV JAV ; HNKVTV BV CVJAV NKV OB VCV JAV ; HNKVTV BV CVJAV NKV RB VCV JAV ; QNKV PAB JAV ; QNKV MAB JAV ; QNKV MNC JAV ; QNKV PGF JAV.
26. NKV JAV JOV; NKV MNA JOV : HNK VKNBVJA VNK VBV JOV; NKV PAB JOV; HNKVTV AVBV JO VNK VMA VBV JOV; HTVNKV TVAVBV JOVQLNB VNK VPA VBV JOV; QNKVPAN JAV; QNKVPAN JOV; SLO PAV BVP CVD VPO AVCV OB VDV ; SHU OAV DVO BVC VUP AVBV PAC VDV. QLOB VDVN ; HNKVAV JAV UMNA AV.
27. HTVHAV BV HB VA VH VAV BV ; HHVAV BV TV HA VB VHB VAV ; HNKVAV JA VV HA VB VHB VAV.
28. HLRGVB CQNKVGV JOV ; HLRGVB BQNKVGV JOV ; HLRGVB EQNKVGV JOV ; HLRGVB ENKVGV JEV ; NKVJOV JEV; NKVJAV JEV; HLRGVB MN AQNKVGV JEV.
29. NKVMAR BMNA JBV ; NKVMAR CMNA JBV; NKVMAR DMNA JBV; NKVMAR NVMNA JBV; LNLV JBVA; NKVP AA JCV; NKVP AB JCV; NKVP AC JCV; NKVP ANV JCV; LNLV JCVN; NKVRMAPA BB JBV; NKVRMAPA CC JBV: NKVRMAPA DD JBV; NKVRMAPA RJANNTRJAMNT JBV ; NKVRMAPA NVNV JBV ; NKVNLV JBV JEV;
30. JNV A JAV; JNV B JAV ; JNV C JAV ; JNV ABC STV JAV ; JNV AVABCD STV JNVAV JAV; JNV ABCDE STV DEFG STV DE STV : LTV ABCDE STV DEFG STV ABCDEFG STV .
31. JNV JR AVCHAV: JNV JR BVCHAV ; JNV JR GVCHAV ; JNV JR A VJRB VJRC VJRD VJRE VJRF VJRG VS TVCHAV ;
JNV JO AV CHAV ;
JNV JO BV CHAV ;
JNV JO BBV CHAV .
JNV JOAV JOBV JOCV JODV JOEV JOFV JOGV JO ANVJO AAVJO ABV JOACV JOADV JOAEV JOAFV JOAGV JO BNVJO BAVJO BBV STVCHAV ; HTVUN AVUAV BBTJN JOA VVCHAV ; JNVBL AVJR AV JNVBL BVJR AV JNVBL CVJR BV JNVBL DVJR BV JNVBL ABVJR BV. HVTVQUAV CQUAR TAVJNVBL AVVJR BV HVTVQUAV ACTQU BB TAVJNV BLAVVJR CV HVTVQUAV BCTQU DD TAVJNV BLAVVJR DV HVTVQUAV DETQU FF TAVJNV BLAVVJR EV* HVTVQUAV FGTQU AB TAVJNV BLAVVJR FV HVTVQUAV ABGTQU ADB TAVJNV BLAVVJR GV JNVBL AVBL CVBLA CVBLB CVBLD EVBLF GV BLABCV STVJO AV . JNVBL BVBL DVBLA DVBLB DVBLD FV BLGNV BLACNV STVJO BV ; JNVBL BVBBAFVBL CGVBLF AVBLAB AV STVJO CV ; JNVTVTV TVTVBL FVBLAF VBLDN VBLF BVBLAB BV STVJO DV ; JNBVL GVBL AGV BLD AVBLF CVBLAB CVSTVJO EV ; JNBVL ANNBL BNV BLD BVBLF DVBLAB DVSTVJO FV ; JNBVL AAVBL BAV BLD CVBLF EVBLAB EVSTVJO GV ; JNBVL ABVBL BBV BLD DVBLF FVBLAB FVSTVJO ANV ; JNBVL BEVBL DGV BLG AVBLG BVBLGC VBL GDV . BLG EVBL GFVBL CGV BLANN VBLA NA VBLA NBV BLAN CV ; BLA NDVBLA NEV BLA NFVBLANG VBLA CAV BLAC BV ; BLA CCVBLA CDV BLA CEVBLACF VBLA CGV BLAD NV ; BLA DAVBL ADBVS TVJOA AV . JNVTV TVBL BFVBLE NVBLAA NVJOA BV ; JNVBL BGVBLE AVBLAA AVSTVJOA CV ; JNVBL CNVBLE BVBLAA BVSTVJOA DV ; JNVBL CAVBLE CVBLAA CVSTVJOA EV ; JNVBL CBVBLE DVBLAA DVSTVJOA FV ; JNVBL CCVBLE EVBLAA EVSTVJOA GV ; JNVBL CDVBLE FVBLAA FVSTVJOB NV ; JNVBL CEVBLE GVBLAA GVSTVJOB AV ; JNVBL CFVBLF NVBLAB NVSTVJOB BV ; JNVCH AVKSPV.
Important Notice (!) : The message above was coverted from the » Original PDF file {archive}. During the conversion I noticed that many letters got mixed up (eg.: M became II or V became Y, etc.). I made serious effort to reconstruct the correct message, but some mistakes might still be there. Serious researchers should double check! And by the way, if you find a mistake let me know! (Send » e-mail) Although I am not a great cryptographer, I broke up the code into segments. In message 19-31 the spaces between words is my own "solution". The original code does not have space between the letters. [* original line: HVTVQAVDETQUFFTAVJNVBLAVVJREV corrected by me to HVTVQUAVDETQUFFTAVJNVBLAVVJREV] |
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NSA Document Admits ET Contact
On October 21, 2004, the NSA approved for release to the public a portion of their NSA Journal Vol. XIV No. 1. This is a report of a presentation given to the NSA by Dr. Howard Campaigne regarding the decoding of extraterrestrial messages that had been received “form outer space”. Apparently, these messages had actually been received via the Sputnik satellite, but no one had any idea how to decode them at the time.
At some time, unspecified in the document, Dr. Howard Campaigne and some other NSA super mathematicians in the crypto department had been given the task of decoding the messages. There were a total of 29 messages to be decoded — quite an undertaking.
It is curious, to say the least, that this document was cleared for release on October 21, 2004. Why was that? Because the NSA did not release it into public information until April 21, 2011. Though cleared for release, the NSA had been stonewalling it along with hundreds of other NSA documents about contact with UFOs and extraterrestrials until they lost the lawsuit brought by Peter Gersten, a lawyer from Arizona. When they well and truly lost, the judge’s order had to be carried out, and the documents had to be released.
Dr. Howard Campaigne's “Extraterrestrial Signals”
The document, as I stated, is Dr. Campaigne’s presentation to the NSA on the decoding of those messages. It was actually published by the NSA in their own internal NSA Journal. Yet, they were also forced to publish a list of search terms from FOIA requests for which they had found no NSA documents. In that list is “Extraterrestrial Signals”. The title of this document, which they published themselves is “Key To Extraterrestrial Messages”.
Quite obviously, they conveniently split hairs here in reporting they had no information about“Extraterrestrial Signals”. They knew for sure they had this document, and that it was about what was being requested in the FOIA request. They knew it, flaunted the technicality of wording, and continued to stonewall.
Who is Dr. Howard Campaigne?
Dr. Campaigne is one of the top cryptologists on the planet with years and years of service to Naval Security Group, Army Security Agency, National Security Agency, and a couple of other such alphabet organizations.
Howard H. Campaigne started his crypto career for the government during World War II and has been a key and integral part of our U.S. security and intelligence ever since. In other words, he is part of a very small, very select group who are considered the cream of the crop in Cryptology.
Dr. Campaigne’s presentation to the NSA on decoding the extraterrestrial messages was not a hypothetical exercise. I contacted someone who is formerly associated with the NSA and still has TS clearance, and asked him to view the document. I asked him to give me his take on it. There was no question about its authenticity since it was published in the NSA Journal, and was released by the NSA on their web site. What I wanted to know was whether this document had any particular impact or importance (other than its startling revelations) for someone familiar with the inner workings of the NSA. It did.
My contact told me that he was blown away by the wording of the document. He said that NSA communications are filled with words like “possibly” , “allegedly”, and “thought to be”.
He said, “This document has none of the normal NSA disclaimer words in it. They just come out and say ‘we received messages from outer space’ and this is the way to decode those messages.”
I asked, “What does that mean to you?”
His reply was instant.
“Disclosure, pure and simple. They aren’t making any fanfare about it, but there it is. They have just made open disclosure.”
But what do the messages say?
Dr. Campaigne focused on a set of information in a couple of the messages that turn out to be some mathematical equations. They also contain the listing of all the elements in our Periodic Table. I suppose those equations may make some sense to a physicist or engineer, but do not mean anything to me. I clearly understand how Dr. Campaigne came to the translation since he explains it very well. But, as to what the meaning of the equations are, I could not venture a guess.
It is curious, though, that during his presentation Dr. Campaigne mentions there are “words” that they have translated, and some “words” they have not yet begun to understand. He gives an example of a connective word that he knows is connective (joining two or more statements) but does not yet understand the translation of that word.
Debunkers are scared as hell of the release of this information as it proves beyond any doubt that they are, and always have been, dead wrong. Their careers as debunkers are finished in light of the revelation of this material. They are already using the only possible “tool” left to them by saying, “That’s old information. It’s been out there for years.”
As usual, they are either just uninformed, or outright lying. It is true the document was cleared for release on October 21, 2004. It is true that date is from “years”. But it is also true that it WAS NOT released until April 21, 2011.
This is truly blockbuster information. No one from the government has stepped in front of the cameras and come clean about ET reality as yet. But, here we have the most secret intelligence organization in the U.S.A. , the National Security Agency, disclosing openly that there has been contact with intelligent extraterrestrials. Not only that, we have decoded their messages.
[Source: UFO Digest]
The “Key To The Extraterrestrial Messages”
The National Security Agency (NSA) has released a number of previously classified UFO and extraterrestrial documents over the past couple of years. This one comes straight from the NSA Technical Journal – Vol. X1, No.1, written by H. Campaigne. The journal entry is titled “Key To The Extraterrestrial Messages”. A signal is detected from outer space, and the NSA attempts to decode the message.
The article is described as developing a key to understand these alien messages. The following is a copy of the » original PDF document as found on the National Security Agency website. — The conversion from the original PDF ends up as junk text. I tried my best to clean it up, however there must be many errors in the following transcript.
H.Campaigne Key To The Extraterrestrial Messages NSA Technical Journal Vol. XIV. No.1 UNCLASSIFIED - Approved for Release by NSA on 10-21-2004 FOIA Case #41472
Dr. Campaigne presented a series of 29 messages from outer space in "Extraterrestrial Intelligence". NSA Technological Journal Vol. XI. No. 2. pp. 101 ff. and in the Special Mathematics and Engineering Issue of the Journal, pp. 117 ff. The following article develops a key to these messages reprinted in the appendix below. [See above.] This includes two new series - 30 and 31 - not included in the previous article.
At every step in Ihe solution we make a guess at the meaning. Evidence will quickly accumulate to verify or refute this guess. The possibility of ambiguity of two consistent solutions is very remote. Only in the last steps, where verification is thin, could this happen.
1. There are 21 symbols in the order given by this message.
2. B is equivalent to AA, C to AAA, etc. That is A=1. B=2. C=3. D=4. E=5. F=6. G=7.
3. The symbol L means the two things that follow are the same. LXY means x=y .
4. Each statement has 5 symbols and begins with L. The 4 symbols after L must be considered as two things. Each statement has a K as the third letter, which must be the start of the second thing. Is B=KAA; C=KBA; C=KAB; D=KCA? If KBA means B+A, it fits.
5. These verify our conclusions on 4. The first means 6 = 1+(2+3), the last means 1+(2+3) = (1+2)+3.
6. Each has five symbols as in 4. They mean 1=M21; 2= M:31; 1=M:32. Obviously MSY means x-y.
7. These translate N=1-1; N=2-2; N3-3. N stands for zero. 0.
8. These translate 1=O11; 0=O01; 2=O12; 2=O21; 0=O02; 0=O20; 4=O22. etc. OXY means the product X x Y.
9. These verify the conclusions of 8. The first says that 6=1x2x3, the last 4x(5x6) = (4x5)x6 .
Note: So far we have seen two kinds of symbols: digits A through G and N. and operators L, K, M, and O. The two digits following the operator are the operands.
10. Translates into 4=R22; 2=R21; 1=R30; 3=R31; 1=R30.
RXY must mean X'. {*?*} exponentiation. R is another binary operator.
11. Translates into 23 = 4+4; 2=1+7; 24= 2x4; 22-4 {*?*} verifying our previous conclusions.
12. Translates into 32 = 4+5; 32= 3X3. {*?*} Further verification.
Note: In our culture we use parentheses to group closely associated terms, and as a first step it helps, even though it is not necessary, to put in parentheses. To do so unambiguously, start at the right und read left to the first operator symbol; put parentheses about the operator and the two quantities to its right. Repeat until no pair of parentheses contains more than an operator and two quantities.
13. Translates into J = 23; J= 1+7; J.|.1 = 3X3; J | 1 3x, therefore J =8. {*?*}
14. We can only introduce parentheses by assuming P is an operator, so we get 2 P84; 4-P82; 1-P33; and 3 P62. Thus PxY = X÷Y, division.
15. Assume U is an operator, getting U12; U23; U34; U58: U68; U78; U2332 = U89. The smaller is first in each case: so perhaps UXY means X precedles Y or X<Y.
16. The new character Q must be an operator. 'Transcribed it gives us Q: O=1; Q: 1=3; Q: 1=1+1; Q: O=1x1; Q: 22=2; Q: 2<2; Q: H(1=1) (1=2); Q|Q: 3-3|; Q:8< 7.
Clearly Q means "the following statement is false." Then the next to the last is read "it is false that 3≠3." QL will be translated ≠. The second new symbol is not clear, except that it is an operator whose oprerands are statements, not quantities, a Boolean operator.
Note: Q is an operator with only one operand, unary.
17. Putting in parentheses shows that S is also a unary operator operating on statements. Transcribed they are: S: 1-1; S: 1-2; S: 2=| | 1; S: 1=1X1; S: O=1-1; S: H|(6=1x6) (1=6÷6)|; S: H|(1 1) (2-2)|. {*?*} It is apparent that S means "the following statement is true" or "it is asserted that". The next to the litst message shows that HXY means “X implies Y" or "X is a consequence of Y" or maybe "X is logically equivalent to Y."
18. Our rule for parentheses breaks down unless 'T' is a different kind of symbol. The first message shows that T may be a unary operator on quantities, so that AT or TA is a quantity. The third message shows that it must be the first, since T is last. Putting in parentheses this way gives IT=1; 2T=1T+1; 5T=2T+3T; 6T=3Tx2T; 7T=7: 10T; 8T must be an ending. On one digit it makes no difference. It combines the two digits 10 to make 8. Octal arithmetic?
19. Transcribes to 123T=1x82 † (2x81 † 3);
321T=3x82 † (2 x 81 † 1 x 82);
4567T = (4x81 † 5x82) † (6x81 | 7x82). {*?*}
Clearly T indicates that "the preceding digits form an octal number". Possibly it is an octal point: if so, digits may occur after it.
Note: Bcause of the way grouping is implied, it is sufficient to have a marker at the end of a number in order to clearly isulate it as a single entity.
20. In Trying to put on parentheses it appears that V is also an ending. But this one combines with both quantities (that is, digits.) and operator. Transcribing by treating V and the preceding symbols as a single unit for the time being, we get:
8 | AV implies 7 = AV.
I will use __ {*?*} for II {*?*} hereafter. Remember that we are not sure of the
sense of this sign. II - 3II = · 2 = AV {*?*} (I have writted the T.
Remember that II T is nine);
3 AV = · 11 = AV2;
5 AV 6 · II AV.
In the next message if we combine the O and V into one symbol the message does not parse. Try GOV as one symbol. getting
3 1 | GOV = · 2 = GOV;
6 SOV = · 3 = SOV;
3 DOV = · II = DOV,
I is true that AV † PV = PV + AV:
It is a tautology that AV x PV = PV x AV:
It is in identity that AV + (PV + TV) = (AV + PV) + TV:
It is asserted that AV x (PV x TV) = (AV + PV ) + TV:
AV ≠ BV = · AV - BV ≠ BV AV:
AV ≠ BV · AVII ≠ BVII. {*?*}
The meaning of V must be that "the preceding letters as a group have an abstract meaning, or are a variable." V is a little like a word spacer.
Note: Putting in parentheses is not complicated by another rule. Each T or V should be packaged with preceding symbols, just how many depending on the parsing of the message. Those preceeding T will all be digits. These preceding V can be expected to reloccur as a group.
21. Pulting parentheses in these messages is difficult until we notice that UV appears in each. They then transcribe into:
0 |2 | (DDDV2 - DDDV x 3) | = · UV|1 = DDDV |
|2 = DDDV|;
UV|1 = DV||0 - 1 = DV| = ·|1=DV2|;
UV|1 = BV||0 - BV| = · 0=BV-BV|;
It is true that UV|AV= BV||AV ≠ BV|:
It is true that UV|AV< BV||BV< AV |.
In order to complete the parsing we had to assume that UV was a binary operator, and in every case the operands are statements. It is clear from the algebra that UV means "or." The last message shows that U means ≤ rather than < as I had it.
22. We notice that TV is used in every message and parallels the usage of UV. Assuming TV is a binary Boolean operatur, the messages parse.
It is false that TV|AV ≤ BV||BV ≤ AV|;
It is false that TV|AV = BV||AV ≠ BV|:
TV|ĀV2 = 4 || 0≤AV| = · AV=2;
AV>BV = · |BV ≤ AV| or |BV = AV|:
It is true that not TV GV HV = · GV or HV;
It is true that GV and HV = · TV GV HV;
AV or (BV or CV) = (AV or BV) or CV;
TV|AV TV|BVCV|| = TV||TV AV BV|CV|:
TV|AV|BV or CV|| = TV|AVBV | or TV|AV CV|;
AV or TV | BV CV|| = TV|AV or BV||AV or CV|.
It is apparent that TV means "and". Notice that L is used here to mean "logically equivalent to", although I have written "=".
Note: It is used here for <, not ≤.
Either there is a mistake, or the usage varies.
23. The parsing falters until we realize that JNV occurs in each message, and is probably a word. BAV and CAV also occur in each message. They transcribe into:
JNV|BAV or CAV BAV;
JNV BAV | BAV and CAV|;
JNV|BAV or CAV| |BAV and CAV|:
JNV BAV CAV = · BAV = (BAV or CAV);
JNV BAV CAV = · CAV = (BAV and CAV).
The last two conclusions look like set theory statements. JNV parses like a binary operator. JNV XY could mean "X contains Y" in the set theory sense. Then if UV is "or" in the set theory sense, the union, and TV is "and" in the set theory sense, the intersection, the statements above can be rewritten:
BAV ∪ CAV ⊃ BAV
BAV ⊃ BAV ∩ CAV
BAV ∪ CAV ⊃ BAV ∩ CAV
BAV ⊃ CAV = · BAV = (BAV ∪ CAV)
BAV ⊃ CAV = · CAV = (BAV ∩ CAV).
24. NKV looks like a binary operator of which at least the first operand is a quantity. JAV is uniforinly the second operand. From 23 above we are alert to set theory statements. Could it be that NKV says something is a member of some net? Try it. They become
1¢JAV; 2¢JAV; 3¢JAV; 4¢JAV; 5¢JAV; 6¢JAV: 7¢JAV; 11¢JAV; 12¢JAV; AV¢JAV = · AV+ 1¢JAV.
JAV is the set of positive integers! It fits!
25. These parse into:
(1 and 2)¢ JAV:
(1 and 2) and 3)¢ JAV;
(14 aand 17)¢ JAV:
((77 and 100) and 101)¢ JAV;
(AV ⊃ NMV) and (BV ⊃ NAV) = · (AV and BV ⊃ NMV;
0¢JAV:
8¢JAV: 82¢JAV: 81¢JAV; 83¢JAV: 84¢JAV; 810¢JAV; 8xxx¢JAT:
8xxx¢JAV:; BV¢JAV = · 8BV¢JAV;
(BV and CV)¢JAV = · BV | CV¢JAV;
(BV and CV)¢JAV = · BV x CV¢JAV;
(BV and CV)¢JAV = · BVCV¢JAV;
1/2¢JAV; 1 · 2¢JAV: 0-3¢JAV: 7/6¢JAV. {*?*}
This verifies beyond doubt the guess of 24.
26. There is a new word, JOV. The messages read JAV¢JOV:
0 1¢JOV; 0 BV¢JAV = · BV JOV;
1/2¢JOV: AV and BV¢JOV = · AV - BV¢JOV;
(AV and BV in JOV) and 0 ≠BV = · AV ÷ BV in JOV:
1 ÷ 0 not in JA; 1 ÷ 0 not in JOV:
It is true that (AV ÷ BV) x (CV ÷ DV) (AV x CV) ÷ (BV x DV);
It is true that AV x DV < BV x CV · AV ÷ BV < CV ÷ DV. BV x DV ≠ 0;
AV JAV · 0 1 < AV.
JOV is seen to be the field generated by JAV, in other words, the set of rational numbers. The next to the last message has a garble, an extraneous A.
27. This transcribes to:
(AV · BV) and (BV = · AV) · HV.AV.BV.
Clearly HV means "logically equivalent" or " · = ·".
(AV · · BV) = · (AV = · BV) and (BV = · AV)
(AV · = · BV) · = · (AV = · BV) and (BV = · AV).
28. "These transcribe to
GV2 = 3 = · GV not in JOV;
GV2 = 2 = · GV not in JOV;
GV2 = 5 = · GV not in JOV:
GV2 = 5 = · GV in JEV;
JOV is in JEV;
JAV is in JEV;
GV2 = 0 - 1 = · GV not in JEV.
We have a new set, containing the rationals, and at least one irrational, but not the imaginary ✓-1. JEV is probably the real numbers.
29. These transcribe to
1 2n in JBV; 1 - 3n 'in JBV;
1 4n in JBV: 1 NVn 'in JBV:
NLV JBV - 1 assuming NLV is one word. Another possible parsing is LV(JBV, 1) = 0 |
1/1 in JCV: 1/2 in JCV; 1/3 in JCV: 1/NV in JCV: NLV JCV
O | or LV (JCV, O1 - O. But the two examples suggest that NLV means "a limit of". If NV is an integer this fits perfectly.
(1 1/2)2 in JBV; (1 - 1/3)3 in JBV;
(1 1/4)2 in JBV: (1 - 1/8100)n100 in JBV;
(1 - 1/NV)NV in JBV; NLV JBV in JEV.
If NLV means limit, then JEV contains the number e, a verification of our guess that JEV named the real numbers.
The last two lessons 30 and 31 were not published with the first twenty-nine because it made too lomg an exercise.
30. The later messages of this grond have the mysterious sequences ABCD, ABCDE, DEFG, etc, each ending with STV. If we bunch these each as a unit, the messages parse. They then say JNV 1 natural number; JNV 2 natural number: JNV 3 natural number; JNV 123 STV natural number; conjecture STV means "the preceding is a set (or sequence)", and JNV means "belongs to". There is doubt about the latter, since we thought earlier that it meant "contains": AV belongs to 1234 = · AV is a natural number; 12345 or 4567 = 45 is sets: 12345 and 4567 = 1234567 as sets.
31. This last group is of impressive magnitude, 41 messages of which the thirtieth is quite long. Parsing is eased by the parallel construction of the messages. They transcribe to:
JRAV belongs to CHAV; JRBV belongs to CHAV; JRGV belongs to CHAV; the set JRAV, JRBV, JRCV, JRDV, JREV, JRFV. JRGV
belongs to CHAV: Since all the digits appear in these groups, maybe they are used like subscripts and should be read JR.. JR.., etc. |: JO1 belongs to CHAV; JO2 belongs to CHAV; JO22 belongs to CHAV; the set JO1, JO2, JO5, JO6, JO7, JO8, JO9, JO10, JO11, JO12, JO13, JO14, JO15, JO16, JO17, JO22, JO21, JO22, belongs to CHAV: Ux, and Uy, 22. JO1, belongs to CHAV (This one must be parsed wrong or garbled);
BL.. belongs to JR..; BL.. belongs to JR..; BL.. belongs to JR..; BL.. belongs to JR..; BL.. belongs to JR..:
AV < 3 and 12 ≥ AV. - . BL.. belongs to JR..;
AV < 13 and 22 ≥ AV. - . BL.. belongs JR..;
AV < 23 and 44 ≥ AV. - . BL.. belongs JR..;
AV . 45 and 66 . AV . - . BL... belongs to JR..;
AV . 67 and 126 . AV . - . BL... belongs to JR..:
AV . 127 and 142 . AV . - . BL... belongs to JR::
The set BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO1:
The set BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO2:
The set BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO3:
The set BL... and BL... and BL... and BL... and BL... belongs to JO4:
The set BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO5:
The set BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO6 (note a garble here, an N is repeated):
The set BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO7
The setBL... BL... BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO10
The set BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL...
BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL...
BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO11
BL... and BL... and BL... . belongs to JO12
The set BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO13
The set BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO14
The set BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO15
The set BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO16
The set BL... BL... BL... belengs to JO17;
The set BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO20;
The set BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO21;
The set BL... BL... BL... belongs to JO22;
CHAV belongs to KSPV.
{*?* in this section the numbers can not be recognized}
The transcription leaves a lot to be resolved. There are several words the meanings of which are yet to be determined. The word CHAV (or CHO seems to be central. There are seven words JRx and eighteen words JOx and each of these inclongs to CHAV. There are 98 words BLx each of which seems to belong to a unique JOx. Doex each also belong to a unique JRx? With this hint we can straighten out the garbled message above; it reads "0<AV and AV< 22 = JOx belongs to CHAV": there was a V omitted. I was also able to reparse six other messages. I will not bore you with the details, since the list above has been corrected.
Since each BLx, belongs to one JRx, and JOx, these can be displayed in a matrix:
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JR2 |
JR3 |
JR4 |
JR5 |
JR6 |
JR7 |
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JO1 |
BL3 |
BL5 |
BL13 |
BL24 |
BL45 |
BL47 |
BL127 |
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JO2 |
BL4 |
BL6 |
BL14 |
BL25 |
BL46 |
BL70 |
BL128 |
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JO3 |
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BL7 |
BL15 |
BL26 |
BL61 |
BL121 |
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JO4 |
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BL8 |
BL16 |
BL40 |
BL62 |
BL122 |
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JO5 |
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BL9 |
BL17 |
BL41 |
BL63 |
BL123 |
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JO6 |
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BL10 |
BL20 |
BL42 |
BL64 |
BL124 |
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JO7 |
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BL11 |
BL21 |
BL43 |
BL65 |
BL125 |
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JO10 |
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BL12 |
BL22 |
BL44 |
BL66 |
BL126 |
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JO11 |
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BL |
25 |
47 |
71 72 |
73 |
74 75 |
76 |
77 |
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100 |
101 |
102 |
103 104 |
105 |
106 107 |
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131 |
132 |
133 134 |
135 |
136 137 |
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140 |
141 |
142 |
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JO12 |
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BL16 |
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BL50 |
BL100 |
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JO13 |
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BL27 |
BL51 |
BL111 |
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JO14 |
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BL30 |
BL52 |
BL112 |
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JO15 |
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BL31 |
BL53 |
BL113 |
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JO16 |
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BL32 |
BL54 |
BL114 |
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JO17 |
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BL33 |
BL55 |
BL115 |
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JO20 |
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BL34 |
BL56 |
BL116 |
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JO21 |
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BL35 |
BL57 |
BL117 |
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JO22 |
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BL36 |
BL60 |
BL120 |
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{*?* The numbers are hardly readable in the original text, so there could be errors.}
Remember that these are not decimal numbers. There is only one cell with more than one entry, and the subscripts in it in decimal notation are 21, 39, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98. The larger part or the entries is systematically distributed in the first eight rows. This suggests the periodic table of the chemical elements! On consulting a table we find, sure enough, that elements 57 through 71 are rare earths, and are lumped into one cell. Slime, but not all, authorities also list 89 through 103 as rare earths. Elements 21 and 39 are Scandium and Yetrium.
CHAV must mean the periodic table. JR means columun x, and JO means row y. BLz means element Z. The meaning of KSPV is not known, expect that it is a generalizalion of "periodic table". It may merely mean table, or scientilic fact, or university subject.
Looking back over the exercise we see we have penetrated the meaning or the basic symbols, and even more important, have learned some or the syntax rules or the notation, and have caught mistakes in the process. We have a few words for sophisticated concepts, and, given more data, with a little labor we could establish its translation.
The concepts used here are the basic ones ofnumber, sets, and physical constants which any cultures must share. How bizarre the syntax and values of a culture could be I cannot conjecture, but any civilizations capable or sending a message across space must have many things in common.
Important Notice (!) : The document above was coverted from the » Original PDF file {archive}. During the conversion the entire text of the document ended up as junk. I was making serious efforts to reconstruct the original document. I marked the uncertain coversions with {*?*}. Serious researchers should use the PDF! And by the way, if you can convert the text, let me know! (Send » e-mail)
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What is disappointing in this document is that there is no real "key" given and the message is not solved at all.
How do we determine the validity of this document?
The source has a www.nsa.gov URL. You cannot fake a .gov URL, it’s impossible. The document is considered public information and is available through the official NSA website. There is another link to the document found from a search query straight from the NSA web site, you can view that in the list of sources as well. This document is 100 % real, and was approved for declassification by the NSA.
The extraterrestrial phenomenon is a large one, and branches off into so many different subjects. Now more so than ever, it has become extremely clear that agencies like the NSA don’t really represent the people that they are said to protect. It seems they use the shield of ‘national security’ to classify information and justify certain actions.
"The dangers of excessive concealment of facts, far outweigh the dangers that are cited to justify them. There is very grave danger, that an announced need for increased security, will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning, to the very limits of official censorship and concealment – JFK"
Please keep in mind that NSA documents do not represent and speak for all UFO documentation. Thousands upon thousands of official UFO documentation is available in the public domain. Military agencies and governments worldwide have been declassifying files for a few years now, and some of them are quite astonishing encounters.
What conclusions can we draw from this document?
One conclusion we CAN draw is that the NSA has an active interest in the search for extraterrestrial life. Humanity has always believed that NASA is the primary body interested and heading the search for extraterrestrial life. Did we ever stop to consider that almost half of the United States budget goes to agencies that are under the jurisdiction of the Department of Defense? If anybody has the resources to look into the extraterrestrial subject, it’s agencies like the NSA.
The release of this document also tells us that extraterrestrial matters remain classified and all monitoring of extraterrestrial activity remains classified. Only a few documents have been released, I wonder what still remains classified? The United States Air Force also has a space agency separate from NASA. It’s called the USAF Space Command.
[ Source: Collective Evolution ]
NSA practices deciphering ET signals
On April 21, 2011 the National Security Agency posted documents from their Technical Journal which had some interesting articles about extraterrestrials. Some have assumed that these documents were pertaining to messages received from extraterrestrials, an easy mistake to make with article titles such as “Key to Extraterrestrial Messages” {archive}. These documents are actually related to exercises for practicing deciphering coded messages that extraterrestrials may send us in the future. However, there is still a story here, because these exercises were started by a prominent NSA cryptologist who believed more attention needed to be given to the investigation of UFOs and the possibility that we may be contacted soon.
The cryptologist was Lambros D. Callimahos, his biography can be read in the NSA’s Hall of Honor, which he was inducted to in 2003. They state that Callimahos, “played a crucial role in shaping cryptologic development at NSA.” He had developed a special class, designated CA-400, for elite cryptanalysts, if they passed they would become members of what was labeled the Dundee Society. The group’s real purpose was so secret that it was named after an empty Dundee marmalade jar he kept his pens in on his desk.
The recent NSA Technical Journal articles were actually obtained by UFO researchers in 2004, through freedom of information act requests. I first became aware of them watching a lecture by John Schuessler, one of the original recipients. In the winter of 1966 issue of the journal, Callimahos wrote an article titled, “Communication with Extraterrestrial Intelligence” {archive}. This was the dawn of what would later become the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI), and Callimahos discussed the work of Dr. Frank Drake, who had shown that the possibility of life in space was actually very large. Callimahos went so far as to state, “Unless we’re terribly conceited (a very unscientific demeanor), we must assume that the ‘others’ are far more advanced than we are.” |
Lambros Callimahos (image credit: NSA) |
Frank Drake |
As a cryptologist, his interest was in the NSA’s ability to decipher any signals we might receive, and in his article he stated that, “once we receive a recognizable signal, we have a good chance of understanding the message.” He then goes into technical cryptological terms and discusses the different types of technology that they may be using to send signals, many of which we have not mastered. In the last portion of the article he gives an example, a hypothetical extraterrestrial message based on the raster principle created by Bernard M. Oliver. He discusses how to decipher the example given by Oliver, and cites other similar exercises on deciphering hypothetical extraterrestrial messages.
In the next NSA Technical Journal, spring 1966, a follow up article was written by Dr. Howard H. Campaigne, titled, “Extraterrestrial Intelligence” {archive}. It begins:
“In the most recent issue of the NSA Technical Journal- Vol. XI, No. 1 Mr.Lambros D. Callimahos discussed certain aspects of extraterrestrial intelligence and included several messages to test the reader’s ingenuity. In the following pages, Dr. H. H. Campaigne offers additional communications from outer space.”
The “messages”, we now know, were the hypothetical extraterrestrial messages. The article then goes on to describe the extraterrestrial message that, in the context of the Callimahos article, we know to be further hypothetical messages to test “the reader’s ingenuity.” Unfortunately, they do not appear to be referring to real messages received by extraterrestrials. |
To add further confusion, in the winter of 1969 NSA Technical Journal, an article titled, “Key to Extraterrestrial Messages” {archive} was published. This referred to the test message that Dr. Campaigne had proposed in his article, and was just that, a key to the exercise.
Although these messages do not appear to be real extraterrestrial messages, Callimahos did have a strong interest in the subject.
A declassified secret document can be found on the NSA website titled, UFO Hypothesis and Survival Questions {archive}.
This was a paper written by Callimahos in which he argues that the UFO phenomenon and possible extraterrestrial interaction should be taken much more seriously. He reviews how there are credible witnesses whose experiences cannot be written off. |
National Security Agency headquarters, Fort Meade, Maryland, (image credit: NSA) |
UFO Hypothesis document |
Callimahos states:
Up until this time, the leisurely scientific approach has too often taken precedence in dealing with UFO questions. If you were walking along a forest path and someone yells, “rattler” your reaction would be immediate and defensive. You would not take the time to speculate before you act. You would have to treat the alarm as if it were a real and immediate threat to your survival. Investigation would become an intensive emergency action to isolate the threat and to determine its precise nature – It would be geared to developing adequate defensive measures in a minimum amount of time.
While these documents may not be the smoking gun to show the NSA had extraterrestrial secrets that they are now revealing, it does demonstrate the excitement among their cryptologists at the genesis of the effort to listen to extraterrestrial signals. It is an interesting behind the scenes view to the momentum that grew into the SETI project, especially at a time when funding hampers SETI’s ability to listen in on our comic neighbors.
[ Source: Open Minds ] |
Cryptic Communication from the Cosmos: Proof of Extraterrestrials in Radio Signals?
For many, a recent “We the People” petition, aimed at getting U.S. President Barack Obama and his Administration to acknowledge extraterrestrial presences here on Earth, fell just short of the long-sought “disclosure” so many in UFO circles advocate today. The idea here is, of course, that not only has Earth been visited by neighbors from distant star systems, but that government organizations have been hiding the information from the public for years… and that it’s high-time for them to stop.
And yet, world governments have already acknowledged a number of UFO-related incidents over the years, many documented in old declassified files that have been expunged from bulging file cabinet drawers in the basements of organizations like the CIA, FBI, and the NSA. The latter of these three groups drew particular interest in this regard as recently as April of this year, when a large batch of UFO-related files appeared at their website; that said, here is a direct link to the NSA’s portal to all disclosed UFO documents for your browsing pleasure.
Browsing the NSA site’s collection of UFO documents, among the files listed one will see links to documents titled, “Key to the Extraterrestrial Messages by H. Campaigne,” and “Extraterrestrial Intelligence by Howard H. Campaigne.” Looking at the PDF documents these links provide access to, one will find that a rather intriguing bit of information is disclosed: what appear to be references to a series of “alien” radio signals recorded decades ago via satellite are described, in addition to an attempt by the author of these articles at deciphering the ET messages! Could this really be “the smoking gun” so many have hoped for, or is there more to the story than meets the eye?
If one digs around on the web a bit, there are indeed a number of blogs and other sites showing where people came across this information, discussing the apparent references to radio signals from deep space that these articles, first featured in an NSA technical journal, appear to describe. However, among these various sites, I also managed to uncover this piece, which after careful study, alludes to a slightly different account regarding the origins of the alleged communications.
While lecturing at an IEEE Conference on Military Electronics held in Washington, D.C. on 23 September 1965, Dr. Lambros Callimahos, a famous NSA cryptology expert who had authored a number of innovative studies on deciphering coded messages around the same time, seems to have made references to the very same series of “ET” communications as follows:
“As an illustration of how much information could be conveyed with a minimum of material, and as an example of facile inverse cryptography, let us consider a message I have devised to be typical of what we might expect of an initial communication from outer space.”
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Indeed, it seems obvious here that Callimahos not only knew of a series of alleged “ET messages,” but admits to having designed them himself as an exercise! Furthermore, looking back at the roundup of articles released at the NSA’s website, among them one will also find the appropriately titled, “Communication with Extraterrestrial Intelligence” {archive}. by none other than Lambros D. Callimahos. While it seems obvious to us, looking at the series of documents in this order, what the intentions and goals of the two men were, we are left with a number of websites that do make the assertion that Campaigne’s lone documents were, in fact, addressing actual signals collected from outer space. So why, if informationexists that contradicts this, has the myth of ET contact been perpetuated here?
First of all, it is obvious that Campaigne’s documents were read by many enthusiastic researchers at the time of their release earlier this year, but probably in the absence of being cross-referenced with the earlier articles of Dr. Callimahos (funny enough, Campaigne’s own articles even make direct reference to the earlier publications, but still removed from context, this was obviously fairly easy for many to overlook). Second, although the NSA documents in question were apparently cleared for release by around 2004, it took seven more years–and a lawsuit filed against the agencey by an Arizona lawyer–before the documents were finally made available to the public.
The third factor is far less conspiratorial, however; it seemed that Campaigne tended to sport a rather dry wit at times. For instance, on page 18 of the second document (Key to the Extraterrestrial Messages), the author’s subtle humor begins to help make evident that what is being detailed is, in fact, a sort of game, as he states the following: “The later messages of this group have the mysterious sequences ABCD, ABCDE, DEFG, etc, each ending with STV.” The obvious tongue-n-cheek references to the human alphabetical sequence as “mysterious” begin to allude to the nature of Campaigne’s “game.” But the real icing on the cake appears at the very end of his “analysis,” where Campaigne states the following:
“Looking back over the exercise we see we have penetrated the meaning of the basic symbols, and even more important, have learned some of the syntax rules of the notation, and have caught mistakes in the process… The concepts used here are the basic ones of number, sets, and physical constants which any cultures must share. How bizarre the syntax and values of a culture could be I cannot conjecture, but any civilizations capable of sending a message across space must have many things in common.”
Of course, if the good doctor can’t conjecture how bizarre the coded language structure of an alien race may be, it suggests what should already be obvious by now: that in stating this conclusion following what he calls an “exercise,” he also confirms that he has not, in fact, had access to any such coded language of extraterrestrial origin… he had indeed been working all along with the previousdocument, issued by his colleague Dr. Callimahos.
So despite there being high hopes that Campaigne’s analysis had been dealing with real extraterrestrial signals from space – a myth still perpetuated by a number of websites – when taken into context, his articles only show one thing: that at least a handful of individuals within the NSA during the mid-1960s did in fact take the idea of extraterrestrial communication seriously (this approach to the entire story served as the focus of a similar article I discovered shortly afterward, which appears at the Open Minds TV website). While it’s good to know there was genuine interest in how mankind may go about deciphering alien messages in the eventual sense, almost half a century later it looks like we’re still waiting for that fabled and cosmic long-distance call from the deeper cosmos…
[ Source: Mysterious Universe ]
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